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Kalle Lasn has been trying to jam consumer culture for decades. Now he thinks that was only the beginning.

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Sean talks with the Adbusters founder about advertising, culture jamming, meme warfare, surveillance capitalism, and why he believes the old left-right political script is dead. Lasn argues that consumer culture is not just shallow or manipulative but part of a system pushing us toward collapse. His answer is bigger than protest and weirder than reform. He wants a cultural revolution that starts with new ideas, new language, and maybe an entirely new politics.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling)
Guest: Kalle Lasn (@KalleLasn)

1:19 The Adbusters origin story
5:57 Advertising as a tool for change
14:29 Is consumerism broken?
30:34 Mimetic warfare
40:29 What would make the next Occupy movement work?

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