From MSNBC.

Marc Elias is an election litigation powerhouse. And he has no nostalgia for the legal and political norms Trump has flattened. Elias joins Nicolle Wallace on “The Best People” for wide-ranging interview. Elias tells Nicolle about the quiet legal war he says the Justice Department is waging to acquire data on voters. He also has some advice for Democrats: stop waxing nostalgic on norms of the past that Trump has destroyed. Instead, divine a new theory of government that builds on our past successes. And Marc wants to reframe how we describe law firms and businesses that have acquiesced to Trump’s demands: “ Stop using the word capitulation. Start using the word collaboration.” Elais also talks about why there is “a weirdness” around JD Vance and why we need to pay attention to MAGA figures like Steve Bannon, Candace Owens, Nicke Fuentes and Tucker Carlson.

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