From The Atlantic.
On this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum opens with a warning: The United States’ support for Ukraine is collapsing under Donald Trump’s second term—and with it, the global system of peace and security that has protected Americans for decades. David explains what Trump’s latest actions reveal about his motivations, and why Ukraine’s survival may now depend on the outcome of the 2024 election.
Then David is joined by the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine and now Democratic congressional candidate Bridget Brink, who served under both President Biden and President Trump. They discuss the true stakes of the war, the failure of the Trump administration to develop or execute a coherent Ukraine policy, and why Brink ultimately chose to resign her post. She offers a firsthand account of life in Kyiv during the early days of the full-scale invasion, the dangers facing American diplomats in war zones, and the institutional breakdowns now threatening U.S. foreign policy from within.
0:00 Introduction with David Frum on Trump’s attitude toward Ukraine
7:08 Interview with Bridget Brink, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine
19:53 Bridget Brink on the current state of Ukraine
27:25 Bridget Brink on the administration’s lack of a structured policy approach to Ukraine
33:35 Bridget Brink’s advice to rising diplomats and career officials
40:28 David asks Bridget Brink about how Ukrainians view the U.S. today
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